Habeck and Merz engage in a heated dispute with Illner.
The dynamic between the CDU and the Greens used to be friendlier. The Union is now planning to scrutinize the Economics Minister with a committee that's set to launch an offensive. A meeting takes place at Illner's place later in the day. And it doesn't disappoint.
The cart in the mud is the metaphor of the evening. "This government is trying to push the cart out of the mud," remarks Robert Habeck on ZDF with Maybritt Illner. However, Friedrich Merz thinks otherwise, snapping, "They're pushing it right into the mud!" against the Greens' Economics Minister.
These two are the only guests in the study on a late Thursday evening. If you're searching for a contrast between politicians, here you have it. Merz versus Habeck, it's like nuclear energy against renewable, like a luxury car against a bicycle. Government subsidies against "That's regulated by the market." Just like black against green in the early summer of 2024.
The EU is mentioned only fleetingly. But the debate feels like a political campaign. It's actually for the 2025 federal election, but who knows for how long the traffic light alliance will last, says Merz. They're currently negotiating a new budget, an exciting issue, but Illner prioritizes different topics: energy, Ukraine, migration, and the economy.
Habeck and Merz are largely in agreement on Ukraine and migration. Ukraine's freedom is in danger, and it's in Germany's best interest to help, Habeck says. Tough on criminals like the Mannheim attacker, Habeck adds firmly.
However, their views diverge significantly on energy and the economy. Germany's ruling coalition has announced a nuclear phase-out in 2023. The suspicion is that this was not motivated by the right reasons. "You said you'd transparently investigate the possibility of continued operations," Merz reveals to Habeck. Because the CDU has doubts. Experts in the ministry observed that the three remaining nuclear power plants could still be operated. That's evident from the documents.
It's also about potential Green influence on the decision. "Is it true, what you said, that the operators couldn't and didn't want to continue operating the nuclear power plants?" Merz asserts in a stern tone. "One didn't say it, and the other did, and we'll sort that out now."
Habeck's responses are dismissive. He finally understands the Union's confusion. "It's true that they could've kept operating these nuclear plants with new fuel elements. That's undisputed," he accepts. However, the argument was about whether nuclear power plants would've helped to offset gas consumption. That didn't happen. Plus, the fuel rods in the nuclear power plants didn't have enough electricity left to extract.
Habeck has identified the problem but overlooks an essential aspect: energy prices. These core questions were ignored by the CDU-led government in the past. Sustainable power plants provide a lower cost, and nuclear-propelled electricity merely accounted for 6% of the overall energy mix. Despite the nuclear phase-out, the electricity price remains bearable and has not skyrocketed, but it could've been even cheaper if the nuclear power plants remained. Veronika Grimm, an economics expert, concurs.
This frontal assault on the Greens is being met with a Green counter-attack. And Habeck hits a nerve in the CDU: Chancellor Angela Merkel's energy policy. The dependence on Russian gas increased, and with Nord Stream 2, it could have been worse. "If Nord Stream 2 had gone online a year earlier, we probably would've stumbled through 2022 economically and socially," says Habeck. Asking how such "serious miscalculations" occurred might yield some perspective. This covers the gas storage facilities sold to Russia as well.
Habeck has now uncovered the cart that is stuck in the mud. For him, the government takeover by the Ampel is a collection of broken pieces left by the Union. His shutdown of the nuclear power plants, though, caused no harm. Quite the opposite. Instruction: critical dependence on gas from Russia led to escalating energy costs. Industrial, SME, and crafts fell into a crisis.
Habeck perceives this as the root of the problem. Soaring energy prices triggered food prices' increase, everything became pricier, and consumption declined. The European Central Bank increased interest rates to curb inflation. This made loans more expensive and strained investment. From the minister's point of view, the CDU and its love for Russian gas are to blame. Although the SPD and the Schröder clique may have contributed, Habeck omits that detail.
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Then, Merz reverts to his favorite tactic - berating: "The scenario is so dire that it concerningly undermines the confidence of the finance minister. The chancellor asserts: Everything is dandy. There is no accord amongst the central economic policies in this Ampel team. You're clueless about economics in this Ampel team. You don't possess any economic policy."
Merz points out the flaws within the coalition - even when it comes to Habeck's subsidies: "You enact a heating law and place an ongoing burden on the government and the nation as a whole due to this blundering law." Last year saw a record outflow of 125 billion euros from Germany - this was the highest it had ever been. "The policies you execute, if we can even use the term 'economic policy' in this context, are disastrous,"he scolds.
He decries Habeck's absence in Brussels, criticizes his fiscal policies, and slams his subsidies policies. Instead, Merz proposes to establish favorable conditions for the entire economy. Habeck fires back, rejecting Merz and his dated thoughts as archaic. He asserts China as a dangerous rival and suggests, for instance, that we could boost semiconductor production in Germany or Europe - with funding, of course.
Both Merz and Habeck concur on one thing: the situation is a hardened stalemate. Following an intense debate, it seems that this predicament extends not only to the economy but also, at least momentarily, to the aspiration of a black-green coalition. However, their mutual understanding appears to be quite restrained.
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In response to Merz's criticism, Habeck highlights Alliance 90/The Greens' commitment to renewable energy, stating, "We believe in harnessing the power of the sun, wind, and water, not in continuing the reliance on outdated nuclear power."
The ongoing debate between CDU and the Greens extends beyond energy policy, with Merz suggesting, "A black-green coalition should focus on a comprehensive economic solution, not just subsidies for specific industries."
Despite their disagreements, both political leaders acknowledge the importance of joint efforts in economic policy. Habeck asserts, "Cooperation is crucial for creating a sustainable and prosperous future for Germany, and we are open to working with the CDU to achieve our common goals."
